It was firmly established by Kami and Trunks that the Androids and Cell were a LOT more of a threat than Frieza, that alone would have given King Kai concern. Jiren can increase his power to keep pace with Gogeta the same way Broly did, only Jiren can do so with much more strategy and endurance. by ankokudaishogun » Sun Jan 06, 2019 3:43 pm, Post IM just gonna simplify this for you, Also Im not even gonna bother answer your hypothetial "what if I was this character". It isn't any more anime than it is manga. SSBKK Gogeta would be serious Jiren level, SSBE+KK Gogeta is LB Jiren level Rebel_Yeh Not-So-Newbie Posts: 64 Joined: Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:49 am. It’s painfully obvious that Ultra Instinct Goku and Full Power Jiren are both FAR more powerful than SSJB Vegito was during the Zamasu arc. Both of these characters prove to be powerful, but which one is stronger? dozens of men following his  orders.. His job is selling planets. by PFM18 » Sat Jan 05, 2019 2:39 am, Post Earth is only one of his planets. Super. Cell at that time was not a threat. Yet no one knew about broly. By the time Goku informed King Kai, Cell had gotten his perfect form and announced the Cell Games (not to mention took credit for the Nikki town attacks), and I'm pretty sure that anyone stronger than Frieza automatically qualifies as a threat to the galaxy at large. I honestly think that Broly takes the win, he tanked a full power punch from SSG Vegeta, while Jiren had to use his fingers in order to fight SSG Goku (who is stronger), not just that, he grows stronger as he fights, eventully he will adapt to Jirens attacks and clobber him. Gogeta Blue >> LB Jiren > FPSS Broly = MUI Goku. you probably should not do those. Jiren vs. Gogeta Couldn't find this with a search so here we go. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. What would he do? In the Manga, Goku got some hits in before Jiren started adjusting his fighting style to counter Goku's movements at which point, the two were fighting evenly until Jiren outlasted Goku, so Goku = Jiren > Belmod and any difference between Goku and Jiren were negligible. (supreme kai  lives in the sacred world of kais which is unreachable unless you have Instantaneous movment which only he knew and king kai lived in the other world). their goals do not match, Can any mod close this thread. If Goku UI is stronger than Gogeta Blue, that means Jiren, too, is stronger than Broly, because the difference in power between Goku UI and Jiren LB is smaller than the difference between Gogeta Blue and Broly FP. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. I think Jiren is stronger than ssb gogeta. If we're going by the anime continuity then Jiren is inarguably stronger than Broly. As for Zeno . by WittyUsername » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:43 pm, Post SS Gogeta is probably a bit higher than Goku's KK20 Level. such as: techniques, character relationships, internal back-history, its universe, and more. Gogeta or Vegito? LB Jiren, while arguably stronger than MUI Goku, lost to MUI Goku due to Goku's skill in UI. While still retaining Vegeta's cockiness, Gogeta is a much more strategic, practical fighter, particularly in both animated films. He barey cared about it. what did they do. by ankokudaishogun » Sat Jan 05, 2019 10:19 am, Post If you're going to claim that as a reason for thinking it wouldn't work, I suggest you give up on Super, then. .have you even watched super?Beerus? he rules the northern quadrant. by Lord Beerus » Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:11 am, Post Gogeta is stronger. Ultra Instinct gives it to Goku by a bit, as it was enough to beat Jiren, who I consider pretty far above Broly. Jiren's power was stated to be considerably above that of any ki previously sensed by Vegeta and Kaioshin in EP109, which would include both Fused Zamasu (who put up a much better fight against SSB Vegetto than Broly did against SSB Gogeta) and Beerus (who cut loose against Champa twice, and who full-power LSS Broly was only "maybe" stronger than). by DSB » Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:09 am, Post 2. we saw that the androids where stronger than freiza. cell is a bio android made to kill goku and avenge red ribbon army . King kai has no way of knowing Cell was gonna be a threat. 1. SSJ Broly isn't even stronger than SSJ Gogeta, who isn't that much stronger than 50x SSB Goku (Base Gogeta being around SSB Goku's level) which is nothing to ToP Omen Goku and Jiren. why would they sense him? SSJ Gogeta had a better showing against Broly than SSB Goku did, so I give it to Gogeta. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Universe Mission!! by Miracles » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:28 pm, Post All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing. Adding the 1 minute limit on MUI, Gogeta wins. Watch Queue Queue yet super siayan 3 goku ki can be felt   in the sacred world of kais(outside of the universe). Gogeta is officially confirmed to be in the Dragon Ball Super Broly movie but which fusion is stronger? You constantly  comparison with Broly to these type of characters make no sense, 3   How does being strongerr than freiza mean your automatically a threat to the galaxy?Cell didnt have an empire. Unlike dende  who created the dragon balls he has nothing really to contribute ( except  useless training that the hyperbolic time chamber   was there already), Your FYI   contribued to nothing and made you come off as condescending. not to mention Cell did not  really do anything compared to freiza(killing a bunch of towns  against destroying planets and trading planets). Or would you pre-emptively ensure he's wiped out precisely because being stronger than Frieza makes him an automatic threat to the galaxy? Mid diff at best considering UI’s mechanics Looking after earth  only is not his job. almost everybody knew about him? I honestly think that Broly takes the win, he tanked a full power punch from SSG Vegeta, while Jiren had to use his fingers in order to fight SSG Goku (who is stronger), not just that, he grows stronger as he fights, eventully he will adapt to Jirens attacks and clobber him. Discussion, generally of an in-universe nature, regarding any aspect of the franchise (including movies, spin-offs, etc.) Ultra Instinct vs Fusion!? This video is unavailable. nothing about attacking the galaxies. Do we learn that in Super or the non-canon GT? The potara fusion or fusion dance? And just another note, if Trunks was scared of the Androids, yet took out Mecha Frieza easily, it's pretty obvious that the Androids were a LOT stronger than Frieza and by extension a greater threat, and if Cell's stronger than the Androids, then that makes HIM stronger than Frieza as well. Stick to what you think is true and wait till we get actual facts regarding the matter. Then he powered up considerably when preparing to fight UI-O Goku. As one … Even if Jiren>Broly, its not by much and Gogeta Blue is >>>>Broly so Gogeta would trounce Jiren no problem especially if Jiren doesn't have Broly levels of durability Jiren is not stronger than Broly. ProLight Style by Ian Bradley. Him and the androids wanted to kill goku not take over the universe. Furthermore, Jiren got gradually stronger as the two fought and it's possible for him to do the same against Gogeta as well. Fusion Reborn has Gogeta only appear for a single scene, unflinchingly withstanding an epic punch from Janemba in the monster's final form before obliterating him completely with a single energy blast. 1.TO earth(precisley humanity). Beerus was sleeping during the events of the dragonball/dragonball z. and he had GOD KI( the ki that can only be sensed by those with divine status or being a god themself) which almost everybody who had it  at that time either already knew him and expected him to keep sleeping(most of the kais) or  never knew about him since again he was sleeping . No, Base Gogeta is somewhere between SSG and SSB level. Gogeta and Vegito are about equal in power. Neither of them have his dodging ability and every time MUI is used it gets better, in one minute he went from being unable to win against Jiren to manhandling a Jiren that had surpassed his limits. Nobody knew of cell but kami(who did not think of him as that much of a threat) how are they gonna deal with him preemptivly if they barely knew who or what he was( and he came froma different timeline anyway). In King Kai's shoes, I'd deem him a preemptive threat to the galaxy and try to constantly observe him precisely BECAUSE I knew that, if he's stronger than Frieza, then even if he so far is only targeting androids and towns, he'll inevitably target the Galaxy next. by ankokudaishogun » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:51 pm, Post 5 Can't Defeat: Whis. 3 Again. he watches over galaxies, billions of stars. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Stronger definitely. But not "limitlessly" stronger. Did He Ever Find The Demon That Killed His Family And Friends? Freiza has an empire. That's why I cited Cell. That's just what I think. King kai and even supreme kai watch over something far more massive than .kami. He is not kami. Re: So.. Jiren or Broly, who is stronger. GT doesn't even allude to other universes. SSG is not exclusive to the manga, Goku used it in the anime, and Vegeta has it in the anime, so there's really no manga-only elements to the movie at all. I'd say it's pretty clear that Jiren is stronger than Broly (fights off Goku, Vegeta and 17 at their strongest without going full power and when it's mentioned that he's above GoD level it's less … Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. 1 Can't Defeat: Krillin. The point was that you guys argued it was silly for them to ignore Broly for the Tournament of Power, and I was citing a few examples of said silliness occurring in past sagas. by ankokudaishogun » Mon Jan 07, 2019 7:01 pm, Post Whis is the Angel attendant of Universe 7's God of Destruction, Beerus. The only way they wouldn't qualify as a threat is if they were weaker than Frieza, period, no exceptions. I already told you they dont contribute anything, 1 Ive made it pretty clear freiza an emperor  IN fact I said that like Ten times already( exxageration but you get the point) and thats what hurts your argument. | He looks after the earth and the galaxy. Cell did not have any reason to be going around the galaxy taking over planet to planet and selling them. by RandomGuy96 » Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:02 am, Post Cool stuff that I upload here because Youtube will copyright claim it: To ask this question completely shows that one doesn't know Dragonball story. That's what you're missing in all of this. If SSJB Gogeta is that much stronger in the Broly movie and he is, it’s still possible that … 2 No your not at all. King kai job is to watch over the galaxy. he watches over others as well (, 2 not really since again quadrant(not a planet). Let me put it another way, if Cell had been stronger than Frieza and were King Kai, would you simply ignore him, regardless of whether he hunted androids and wiped out a couple of towns on Earth? Watch Queue Queue. He  was affecting the GALAXY.not just  earth. Opponents are stronger than the last. All of that said, this isn't an argument I'd bet the rent on or anything. by Rebel_Yeh » Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:22 am, Post !. There's no Completed SSB, so the medium-exclusive forms from both mediums don't appear. Modified by Hujio. XD. Also  again Cell did not really do anything ( as in wipe out a planet) He said he was gonna destroy the earth after he became perfect  and when became super perfect He said he was gonna  commit genocide  and that was after he killed king kai .and even then if he noticed  Cell before the cell games. 3. Moderators: Kanzenshuu Staff, General Help, Post AGAIN he is not KAMI (GOd of EARTH). and they did not do anything of Note besides cause some trouble(androids) and kill  town(Cell). by Polyphase Avatron » Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:48 pm, Post by DSB » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:07 am, Post they would kill the Z fighters not rule the universe. First of all, Gogeta is stronger than MUI Goku and Limit Breaker Jiren because Gogeta is made of Goku’s and Vegeta’s best traits and multiplies it by a lot so any power-up or transformation Goku or Vegeta gets is added to Gogeta. I don't think that Jiren is exponentially stronger than an un-exhausted Goku or Vegeta. 2 Can Defeat: Hit for some reason you assume since Cell is stornger than freiza= he will automatically decide to attack the galaxy.Yes, 3 No offense but what you said was ridicoulous and silly . by OWmyDragonBallz » Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:29 pm, Post Both of these characters prove to be powerful, but which one is stronger? Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission! Jiren was able to fight against Mastered Ultra Instinct Goku during the Tournament of Power, and he even held his own against him, meaning he should be able to do the same against Gogeta. People might say that MUI will just dodge everything, but Jiren was shown to even overpower mui and land shots on him. No one exactly sensed Beerus either, and even Shin didn't seem to be aware of Zeno when he first appeared (and Zeno's literally the strongest out there, enough to make Majin Buu into mincemeat or, heck, Broly for that matter). (he slept for 36 years goku was 34 when he met beerus). You're forgetting that Frieza was an intergalactic conqueror, so if Cell is even STRONGER than Frieza (not to mention as evil as Frieza was), that makes him a threat to the galaxy by default. Krillin is a human from Earth and one of the characters who fight to protect … whats a guy who weaker than saiyan saga Vegata gonna do against a guy who is stronger than super saiyan goku.. Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. However, Even if Goku used Ultra Instinct against Broly it would be a stronger version previously used in the TOP against Jiren. While there are slight variations in … 1 did you not listen to what I said. by WittyUsername » Tue Jan 08, 2019 2:59 pm, Post Instead a fusion was used against a single opponent, wow that speaks incredible volumes for a foe of Goku and Vegeta's. Terms this is getting tedious, Actually Cell was a threat to the entire solar system, and even if it was one planet, since universe 7 doesn’t have many planets with life on it, the Kais should have paid far more attention to him as there aren’t any other planets with people of that level so there is literally nothing else to pay attention to, that’s like saying, “I know your forest is burning and I watch over forests AND your forest also has LIFE, but I HAVE to watch these other forests with nothing happening, I watch ALL forests after all not just ONE. What do you think? Then he got substantially stronger than before when he became Jiren Sin Camisa, enough to clearly overpower MUI Goku who was styling all over him moments earlier. MUI Goku defeated Jiren, who is stronger than a GoD that is stronger than Beerus, based on a statement made by Whis, who is Beerus's teacher and knows his full power. they just ruined the earth . by Rebel_Yeh » Sat Jan 05, 2019 5:25 pm, Post Shin the science guy wrote: yeah, and Broly and Gogeta fighting together against MUI Goku would lose. Then SSG Gogeta is probably Fused Zamasu level / ToP Anime max Kefla/Broly level, while SSB Gogeta is reaching Jiren level (Jiren holding back). Forum Rules. THATS BURNING.”, its just plot stupidity, no need to stress over it. Base gogeta × Mastered SSB = SSB Gogeta. by PFM18 » Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:37 pm, Post Who is stronger? This is a hard stomp. freiza is an emperor who goes around trading planets for money. Gogeta was pushed to Blue by Broly, who MIGHT BE stronger than Beerus based only on the power Goku saw of Beerus. this entire argument was started about broly existing and nobody sensing his ki. by DSB » Sun Jan 06, 2019 10:11 am, Post they arent destroying galaxies or wiping out planets like majin buu or freiza. Not to mention that cell was not really a direct threat to them to start with. Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. So yes, he was indeed a threat during that time. That's after all part of what a ruler does, eliminate threats before they become apparent, even if they're low-scale. LSSJ Broly is on par if not stronger than LB Jiren & LB Jiren was getting a few good hits on MUI Goku SSB negg diffed LSSJ Broly So, SSB Gogeta would also be stronger than if he appeared in the ToP In conclusion, SSB would stomp MUI Goku. by PFM18 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 7:37 pm. At that point he should be multi folds above the likes of Beerus, while Broly shouldn't be. Base gogeta >> SSB Goku and since the movie is based off the manga, Manga Mastered Ssb = SSBKX20. 1. Not the galaxy. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Dark Demon Realm Mission! Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited, Privacy And again the androids are a  threat to humanity/earth. 2. People assume just cause Goku didn't use Ultra Instinct somehow makes Broly weaker. The movie does not clearly take place in either continuity. Pure logic there, and that's EXACTLY why Cell would have been dealt with as a threat preemptively, at the very least surveilled instead of not knowing of his existence until Goku when asking for directions to New Namek revealed this bit. It is in "Toriyama's continuity." Cell and broly are not comparable in anyway.How can a guy stronger than vegito exist and not even be sensed by anyone. 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